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Last Post: Jan 27 2012 12:10 AMby: Gear Jammer

RMS
RMS
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3/31/09

AB/DL: Who cares?

Dec 08 2011 07:22 AM

There a thread here that recently got resurrected from the dead, called "a great diaper." In it, the person who started the thread says that he found that the Bambino diapers fit well, stay up, and are really absorbent--you know, all the things a great diaper is supposed to do.

Then, in subsequent posts, others said that although Bambino might be a great diaper, they refuse to support any business that caters to the AB/DL crowd. Why? Who cares? I know I'm going to get crap for saying this, but why should any of us care that a diaper is made for people who wear diapers for different reasons? Personally, I don't care if anyone wants to wear a diaper on his head, if that's what floats his boat.

Now, someone named "Sick of being Sick" pointed out that he didn't want his name on the mailing list of a place like that. Okay, I guess I get that one, but I'm not sure what bad would come of that. Surely there are lots of genuinely incontinent people who buy from this place and others like it.

Look, my point is this. We're all a little different, with a million little idiosyncrasies no one can explain and we sure as heck didn't ask for. Why in the world would anyone be so repulsed by one of those differences that he would refuse to use a product that is clearly superior, just so he won't support or be associated with it?

I've seen lots of comments like those found here and on other incontinence boards and I always scratch my head. Anyone care to discuss that?

-RMS
bedwetter789
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2/28/11

RE: AB/DL: Who cares?

Dec 08 2011 07:53 AM

I could not agree more, However i do not wish to see men or women dressed up like babies. I would not ask the person in front of me hey why you wearing that diaper? It's non of my bussiness just as it is none of theres why I wear my diaper. Guess my point is if you feel you need the diaper then wear it I can not see where the diaper comes from to make a difference, I have used bambino, the plain white ones to be honnest in my oppinion they are not what they claim to be. just my two cents worth.
Loving life
Loving life
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7/23/10

RE: AB/DL: Who cares?

Dec 08 2011 02:32 PM

I am always a bit hesitant to reply when this topic comes up, but I also agree ... with a caveat. I have dealt with enuresis my entire life and I value a board like this where real issues for those that suffer with incontinence can speak. I could care less why a person chooses to wear any article of clothing...it comes down to respect for each of us to find our way through life. The experiences and opinions of anyone who needs/choses to wear incontenet protection is of value to this community. For most of my life I never had a forum to ever express my challeneges, so as long as the dialogue stays focussed on the reason for this website and not on topics that are clearly meant for an alternative lifestyle forum I say welcome all.
EARL H
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RE: AB/DL: Who cares?

Dec 08 2011 04:12 PM

For whatever way shape or form a person uses a diaper of any kind is not really the question I see as important. A person is a person and a friend I have yet to meet regardless of their lifestyle.
The priority 1 I concider is the reliability of a product.The name brand isn't important as long as it has a superior product with a reasonable price tag.
For sake of passing the proverbial olive branch I would welcome a sample of the Bianco version of Bambino but the price tag with shipping for me is better spent toward the popular diaper that arrives in the green with white packaging from a well known XP company. A well known brand without a designer price tag.
I'm not a overly biblical person but the following quote deserves a replay today :
"Love Thy Neighbor As Thyself"
All The Best,
Earl H.
antiflash
antiflash
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10/22/11

RE: AB/DL: Who cares?

Dec 08 2011 07:55 PM

Idk, I mean I'm both incontinent and AB and I can't say I've found this place particularly hostile.
Patrick
Patrick
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8/26/09

RE: AB/DL: Who cares?

Dec 08 2011 08:12 PM

When I first became incontinent, in my desperate flailing about I discovered a welcoming group of folks who seemed to know much about my situation. Only much later I discovered that they were AB/DL. Although I was never attracted to their life style, they taught me much about dealing with incontinence. In addition to teaching me about incontinence management, they also taught me about being open minded about alternative life styles.
RMS
RMS
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3/31/09

RE: AB/DL: Who cares?

Dec 09 2011 07:04 AM

Well, I can't tell you how surprised and heartened at the tone of the replies here. Maybe I've been paying too much attention to the outliers and those with even less tolerance than bladder control. Ha!

Yes, the AB/DL thing is hard to understand--I sure don't--but as I said, we're all just people and we're all a little off-center in one way or another. Glad to see that not everyone is in denial about that. ;)

-RMS
BrianJ
BrianJ
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3/31/09

RE: AB/DL: Who cares?

Dec 09 2011 08:42 AM

Glad to see this thread up. I got grief and my post deleted a few months ago when I said I thought the white Bambino's were a good diaper. I don't understand AB's and it's not my thing. But, if they enjoy it, good for them. It's totally harmless. However, I do understand DL's since I had a passing interest in wearing diapers before I actually had the need arise and had to wear diapers.

That said, the ABDL crowd probably makes more noise and is more vocal than the incontinent crowd about wanting better adult diapers. They are advocating for better diapers just like we are. If we have a common interest in getting diaper companies to make better adult diapers and, as a result of our combined efforts, it happens, that's great. It doesn't offend me that they enjoy wearing them and I need to wear them. Should a woman be insulted and offeneded because some guy likes to wear women's panties? No. His behavior is harmless and hurts no one.

Everyone has different issues and needs. However, I am glad that the ABDL community has not infiltrated this message board and tried to make it theirs. I am glad that it is monitored and that it's main focus has been on incontinence related issues and the need to wear diapers/protection relating to incontinence. The ABDL community has their own message boards and that's where they should post messages related to their lifestyle.

By wearing diapers, they are not making fun of us. They may think they want to be one of us, but if they do, the joke is on them. Fantasy is different than reality. Having an option or a choice is much better than having a need. I have looked at some of the websites that cater to the ABDL community and it looks as though some of them make some very good products that I certainly would consider wearing. This is especially true when it comes to the cloth diapers and pullups. Yes, they make them in baby patterns for the AB's, but they also generally make it in all white for people like myself who are not AB's but may want to purchase them. Let's face it, a good product is a good product. I don't care where it comes from. If it helps me deal with my incontinence, that's great. The people at KC don't listen to our complaints and, although their message board is great, their products are among the worst on the market.

That said, I'm curious as to how others here who have tried the Bambino diapers rate them against the other premium diapers. I find that they generally work well for ovrenight usage and don't leak to often. That said, I would also be interested in finding a better premium diaper for overnight or daytime use.

Let's continue our efforts to get better adult disposible diapers no matter who manufactures them!
stillindiapers28
stillindiapers28
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9/3/09

RE: AB/DL: Who cares?

Dec 09 2011 07:59 PM

OK folks, I don't often weigh in on these message boards, I am a frequent lurker. I have a confession to make....I am a Diaper Lover (DL) I don't wear 24/7 because I have a full time job, a wife, and two kids.......I don't say much on here because people from the AB/DL community have historically been shunned on this board. I am not an AB, just a DL, not that there is anything wrong with that lifestyle, its just not my thing so just DL for me....furthermore, I also have the utmost respect and sympathy for you ladies and gentleman who actually suffer from incontinence and are confined by necessity to the products that I happen to wear for fun and/or recreation. I understand and respect the fact that this board is not about AB/DL as a hobby or lifestyle but for real people afflicted with a medical condition. But I don't think there is a need for outright hostility for us as a group, most of us are not here to "take it over" I am however; always interested in the stories that the members on this board have to tell about how they manage to live their lives while being "stuck" in diapers......I know I wouldn't want to be "stuck" in diapers as much as I like to wear them for a day or two at a time. It is inspiring to me the stories I read about the activities that you all participate in all while "diapered" So anyway, I am sorry that I have rambled on here, I have alot to say, anyway, it is encouraging to hear that there has been a slight "change of heart" regarding the attitude towards the AB/DL lifestyle. I know there are others on this board who are like me and don't say much for fear of getting "beat up" on this board, but we ARE on here, we read your posts and cheer at your triumphs, we even feel sympathy for your struggles. We always seek a better diaper, for us and for you people, the ones who really NEED them.....my need for diapers is different, it is psychological, wheras your needs are physiological.......I hope in the future we can all understand where eachother is coming from. We're not here to take over, we recognize that we have websites that just cater to our lifestyle, but I'll speak for our AB/DL communities when I say that our community, our people, stand ready to assist or support your people with whatever we can. Some of your people are members of our communities and they are welcomed with open arms, much like any of you would be if you came to our world for assistance/support.
Thank You all for reading my wordy message here,
good luck too all

Paul
Looking to Help
Looking to Help
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9/22/09

RE: AB/DL: Who cares?

Dec 09 2011 11:12 PM

I am a 29 yr old disabled vet with complete bladder and bowel incontinence. I have to say that I am grateful for the diapers that I use. I wear Abena Xplus and Extra 24/7. I have to say that I enjoy them because they give me life where I would have none. Without diapers, my life would be miserable and I would be housebound. I couldn't go anywhere. I also wear plastic pants. I use pants of different colors. It is very common for people to like color in their underwear. So why shouldn't I enjoy some variety in my plastic pants. I have some in blue, yellow, red, and green. They just add a little spice to my life. They may be made for the AB community, but I don't care. I still appreciate them. They make me feel like I don't belong in an institution. So I am grateful that they make such products to make my life more enjoyable. And if they AB/DL's want to come here and read, thats fine with me too. I just don't want alot of fantasy stuff on the forum. Thats all I ask!
feralfreak
feralfreak
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5/27/09

RE: AB/DL: Who cares?

Dec 10 2011 02:10 AM

stillindiapers, i dont think its ever been a matter of being hostile to abdl's, just those that come onto here to post nonsense, like one in particular who started a thread called "WANT DIAPERS" saying he just wanted them, or another that tried to do what others have mentioned of making this board their own(i dont communicate well so you will have to try to understand what im trying to say, too bad i normally think in pictures and not words) with a post about how he chose to wear diapers and use them for stress relief and not really needing them. if that is his thing then fine but he needs to show a little respect for the board.

i personally dont care if an abdl comes here as long as they are respectful and doesnt try to make this an abdl board, its an incontinence board, plain and simple, and on a side note just as a friendly suggestion, it would make your posts a lot easier to read if you broke them up into paragraphs instead of a wall of text, i use to do the same thing and it was pointed out to me, so im just passing that along.
draco_americanus
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3/30/09

RE: AB/DL: Who cares?

Dec 10 2011 06:44 AM

over all it's been my experance that AB/DL are more vocal to companies to make better product then the disabled people have, maby it's the stigma people still need to get over, some AB/DL don't care about the stigma, we want products that are comfortable and work when needed where as people that need them still have shame or feel that they need to be overly descreet and use the crap that companies "think" we need, i.e thin clothlike diapers that dont show even under tight clothling and god forbid they make any noise, that results in a product that fails to work correctly for the need at hand. I dont understand why some one would not want a diaper that works just because it's sold by a company that caters to the AB/DL croud but still caters to us as well. The only problem i have had with some AB/DL people is when they lie about a problem or have other motives. I find that dishonist and indeed does make people feel used but this forum does a good job at weeding that 5% out.
on another note, just for the record, i have been and allways will probly be a DL , i have never tried to hide that, I have bladder problems as well, most of my life and i think it's a godsend that i like diapers even though i need to wear them. Easer then hating them and being stuck in them. I found out that liked them when i needed them for bed wetting, go figure...
RMS
RMS
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3/31/09

RE: AB/DL: Who cares?

Dec 10 2011 07:36 AM

Okay, well, this has taken a turn.

As others here have said, I don't think most AB/DLs mean to be offensive but the very fact that many wear for sexual gratification what others must wear for necessity is at least odd and often offensive. Flaunt that difference and, well, you can see why there is conflict.

I read a survey some time ago that said that adult diapers were the single most embarrassing thing you can buy. They betray a frailty and a weakness that most of us never thought we'd face, and most people could never understand. They are a symbol of a failure we've been taught all our lives was unacceptable. They are a reminder that we lack an ability that most two-year-olds have. Is it really so hard to understand why people who must face this reality every day don't appreciate people intruding on their forums, where they often share their most private and intimate thoughts, and talking about how much fun diapers are? Honestly.

I'm a very live-and-let-live guy. I don't care what you do in the privacy of your own home or on the appropriate forums. But above all, respect the feelings of others. Put yourselves in their shoes and be sensitive to how your words and actions affect them.

-RMS
EARL H
EARL H
Member since:
3/30/09

RE: AB/DL: A New Beginning

Dec 10 2011 10:48 AM

Picture a 4th Back To The Future movie where we all "erased" the negative "time line" out of existance.
It wouldn't take a Delorian to make time travel possible.
Rather,
A few futuristic folks who have gone past the trials and tribulations of good old 2011.
As my quote says and it can indeed be used by everybody,
"I'd rather be in a wet diaper than in wet pants"
With 2012 soon approaching it would be the perfect time to become one of these futuristic folks to carry on what Doc Emmet Brown so proudly said,
"The future is what you make it".
In this movie's own way it makes a statement for everyone everywhere.

With my movie rambling aside I will echo Draco's observation in saying there may be, as I've come to accept my diaper needs enough to say DL is not a taboo when taken in perspective to daily wetting needs.
In a past post my Term of DU , diaper user, might be a bit more tame but have the same effect.

Final Thought:
Fire up the flux capacitor and make the future a better reality
ejo43
ejo43
Member since:
3/30/09

RE: AB/DL: A New Beginning

Dec 10 2011 02:29 PM

I am with RMS on dealing with this topic. Show respect and don't talk about your baby needs, talking like a baby on this forum, or about having your mommy or daddy diapering you. It is offensive to us who are stuck with being incontinent the rest of our lives! This forum should stay honest with questions or ideas that you have dealing with your incontinency. It seems like only the AB/DL have feelings, how would they feel if they had a permanent disability instead of a choice on what day that want to wear a diaper? I say we our the ones who should have the hurt feelings by those who lie or talk like babies in their topics on this forum. I will accept great ideas or questions from the AB/DL community, but will fight against any topic that is questionable or offensive. The incontinent community has feelings too!
Patrick
Patrick
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8/26/09

RE: AB/DL: A New Beginning

Dec 10 2011 08:14 PM

As mentioned earlier, when I first became incontinent, I was technically AB/DL, because I was on their mailing lists. I was grateful for all the advice they offered, and especially grateful for their assistance in finding manufacturers. My incontinence involved intense pain, making morphine necessary. The AB/DL folk did not understand this, which I found frustrating. Their hobby/lifestyle was hugely painful for me, which was only relieved by surgery, (sphincterotomy).

There are areas in which we can cooperate to our mutual advantage. The AB/DL folk have been influential in securing higher quality, more absorbent protection, and in de-stigmatizing adults who wear diapers. For this they deserve my applause. Since my surgery, I only rarely get the painful bladder spasms that made it necessary. However, I do still get them, and every time I do, they remind me why I'm not AB/DL, why, for me, diapers are necessities, not a hobby.
draco_americanus
draco_americanus
Member since:
3/30/09

RE: AB/DL: A New Beginning

Dec 10 2011 10:32 PM

One thing that was just said about diapers being a thing of frailty and embarisment is what needs to be adressed more often, the stigma that hangs over this disability needs to die. It is sometimes the hardest thing to get over. The only way this can change is people becoming vocal and telling the people that say "diapers are only for babies" to get stuffed. I was told by a coworker one time that i should be ashamed of my self but insted of hiding or feeling ashamed of a disability i decided to educate that coworker insted.
Yes we are taught from the start that diapers are a sighn of weakness, we where taught wrong!
Killing the stigma should be the fight at this point!
stillindiapers28
stillindiapers28
Member since:
9/3/09

RE: AB/DL: A New Beginning

Jan 24 2012 12:49 PM

first of all....sorry, to bring new life to an old topic.
Thank You all for at least hearing my point of view. My reply was taken much better than I thought it would be.
It was very nice of you all to enlighten me as to exactly what it is that caused your distaste for the AB/DL community. When you all described the things that they were doing (talking about our sexual desires needs etc.....) you all don't need to hear about that!!!! This thread is not about that stuff and I recognize that. We have our own forums and threads to "talk like babies" and such, it would be inappropriate (in my opinion) to barrage this thread with that type of stuff.
I am glad to be able to get this off my chest and Thank You all for the opportunity to express myself and my beliefs. As I stated, I (we) stand ready to assist you all in any way possible and hope to have a better relationship in the future. I will continue to be a lurker here, but I will seldom post unless I can offer constructive information.

Thank You;

Paul
Gear Jammer
Gear Jammer
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5/5/11

RE: AB/DL: A New Beginning

Jan 27 2012 12:10 AM

A need is just that... a need, be it physiological or psycological.

I know there are AB/DLs here, you can't keep them out. They are on every online message board that deals with bedwetting and incontinence. To be honest, I don't really care that they come here, as long as they are respectful. I have been to a few message boards that have been taken over by AB/DLs, and as a consequence, the site administrator had to shut it down in the end. Wetbusters was one of those. I'm just glad that Depend has some good moderators that keep things in check.

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